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	<title>Comments on: The AB Remainders: The Loveliest Island Anchored In Any Ocean</title>
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		<title>By: Atherton Bartelby</title>
		<link>http://athertonbartelby.wordpress.com/2008/09/23/the-ab-remainders-the-loveliest-island-anchored-in-any-ocean/#comment-14781</link>
		<dc:creator>Atherton Bartelby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Coral:&lt;/b&gt; Thank you so much for your comment; I very much appreciated it. I chose nearly all of the places of cultural / historical importance on this list because I had been introduced to and visited them with important people in my life in Hawaii; therefore they reside in a special place in my heart / memory, so I was very happy to read your missive concurring with me on almost every point. (I was also happy to read your final paragraph regarding the legitimacy of my visits to each of these places. I would have taken the time to link every entry in my blog in which I originally wrote about my experiences in each of these places had I known beforehand their truth would have been questioned. Heh.)

And thank you also for the kind words regarding staying away from the kapakai photographs. I&#039;d no idea my decision to highlight and link to photographs of others I considered far superior to mine, in the spirit of Web 2.0 and Creative Commons sharing, would be considered such a negative by certain readers, so I am happy that you did not mind it.

Thanks again for your comment, and for stopping by!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Coral:</b> Thank you so much for your comment; I very much appreciated it. I chose nearly all of the places of cultural / historical importance on this list because I had been introduced to and visited them with important people in my life in Hawaii; therefore they reside in a special place in my heart / memory, so I was very happy to read your missive concurring with me on almost every point. (I was also happy to read your final paragraph regarding the legitimacy of my visits to each of these places. I would have taken the time to link every entry in my blog in which I originally wrote about my experiences in each of these places had I known beforehand their truth would have been questioned. Heh.)</p>
<p>And thank you also for the kind words regarding staying away from the kapakai photographs. I&#8217;d no idea my decision to highlight and link to photographs of others I considered far superior to mine, in the spirit of Web 2.0 and Creative Commons sharing, would be considered such a negative by certain readers, so I am happy that you did not mind it.</p>
<p>Thanks again for your comment, and for stopping by!</p>
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		<title>By: Coral</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coral</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do have to say that I concur on almost every point. These were frequently my suggestions to friends who were visiting the islands throughout the years. My husband sent me the link to this article after I first read it (due to another post by AV Flox). 
By the way, I didn&#039;t find the lack of personal photos to be distracting. Whatever, man, it&#039;s a question of taste. You decided it&#039;d be better without blurry, kapakai pictures. Some people think otherwise. 
Clearly you&#039;ve gone to this places. None of what you wrote sounded like you just copied off someone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do have to say that I concur on almost every point. These were frequently my suggestions to friends who were visiting the islands throughout the years. My husband sent me the link to this article after I first read it (due to another post by AV Flox).<br />
By the way, I didn&#8217;t find the lack of personal photos to be distracting. Whatever, man, it&#8217;s a question of taste. You decided it&#8217;d be better without blurry, kapakai pictures. Some people think otherwise.<br />
Clearly you&#8217;ve gone to this places. None of what you wrote sounded like you just copied off someone else.</p>
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		<title>By: OMG. OMG. OMFG.</title>
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		<dc:creator>OMG. OMG. OMFG.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 15:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] week Atherton published a piece featuring the ten most charming and often overlooked places in Hawaii. The piece, which was a final [...]</description>
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		<title>By: AV</title>
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		<dc:creator>AV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 21:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m disappointed that someone would take the time to reply to a carefully put-together post to scold the writer for not using his own images. While we build better blogs with criticism than we do with fawning praise, your comment is not a constructive criticism. 

A constructive suggestion would have been, &quot;I know a lot of people don&#039;t carry cameras when they hike and if they do, don&#039;t always take the best photos, but this post would have been better if you had shared what you saw of these locations that touched you so deeply, even if they aren&#039;t professional quality.&quot; That&#039;s constructive. That&#039;s helpful. 

Instead, you scold the author who has taken time to put this together for not using his own images and then insinuate that he has never been to these places. You call the contents on the list an &quot;spastic and obscure aggregation&quot; and mention laughing (why are you surprised when the author is defensive?). Of course they are obscure--they&#039;re the lesser known places and the whole point is to bring them to light. What&#039;s so wrong about that?

When I visited with Mr. Bartelby in April, I had the fortune of being shown a couple of these places. But even if the author had never been, aren&#039;t you nevertheless glad that someone is showcasing these locales which are sadly often overlooked? Why can&#039;t you take a moment to appreciate the effort instead of damning the one who undertook it for something trivial?

You&#039;re unkind. And you&#039;re a coward. You have no problem responding, but you don&#039;t give any contact information so you can be held accountable. That&#039;s not how WE interact on the internet. WE make conversation. WE want a better user experience and WE make an effort to help those whose blogs we enjoy provide better content. WE do this with firm words but WE never lose sight of the effort they have put forth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m disappointed that someone would take the time to reply to a carefully put-together post to scold the writer for not using his own images. While we build better blogs with criticism than we do with fawning praise, your comment is not a constructive criticism. </p>
<p>A constructive suggestion would have been, &#8220;I know a lot of people don&#8217;t carry cameras when they hike and if they do, don&#8217;t always take the best photos, but this post would have been better if you had shared what you saw of these locations that touched you so deeply, even if they aren&#8217;t professional quality.&#8221; That&#8217;s constructive. That&#8217;s helpful. </p>
<p>Instead, you scold the author who has taken time to put this together for not using his own images and then insinuate that he has never been to these places. You call the contents on the list an &#8220;spastic and obscure aggregation&#8221; and mention laughing (why are you surprised when the author is defensive?). Of course they are obscure&#8211;they&#8217;re the lesser known places and the whole point is to bring them to light. What&#8217;s so wrong about that?</p>
<p>When I visited with Mr. Bartelby in April, I had the fortune of being shown a couple of these places. But even if the author had never been, aren&#8217;t you nevertheless glad that someone is showcasing these locales which are sadly often overlooked? Why can&#8217;t you take a moment to appreciate the effort instead of damning the one who undertook it for something trivial?</p>
<p>You&#8217;re unkind. And you&#8217;re a coward. You have no problem responding, but you don&#8217;t give any contact information so you can be held accountable. That&#8217;s not how WE interact on the internet. WE make conversation. WE want a better user experience and WE make an effort to help those whose blogs we enjoy provide better content. WE do this with firm words but WE never lose sight of the effort they have put forth.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I said, I do appreciate your stuff. 

But okay, Atherton. I feel your anger and loathing.  And I forgive you for it. I shall, as you ask, &quot;Fuck Off.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I said, I do appreciate your stuff. </p>
<p>But okay, Atherton. I feel your anger and loathing.  And I forgive you for it. I shall, as you ask, &#8220;Fuck Off.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Atherton Bartelby</title>
		<link>http://athertonbartelby.wordpress.com/2008/09/23/the-ab-remainders-the-loveliest-island-anchored-in-any-ocean/#comment-14739</link>
		<dc:creator>Atherton Bartelby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Dear &quot;Christopher&quot;:&lt;/b&gt; I do hope that my other far more innocent and appreciative readers will forgive reading my profanity when I type, &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;FUCK OFF&quot;.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Dear &#8220;Christopher&#8221;:</b> I do hope that my other far more innocent and appreciative readers will forgive reading my profanity when I type, <b><i>&#8220;FUCK OFF&#8221;.</i></b></p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my. Atherton. Defensive, much?

Despite your excessive and narcissistic reply, I don&#039;t deride your &#039;personal&#039; blog. Quite the contrary. I enjoy it. It&#039;s a fascinating study of the human condition. And quite funny.

If you could get past your victim complex for a minute, I think you&#039;d understand more clearly. I don&#039;t pretend to understand why you suddenly loathe where you live at the moment, but it seemed odd that a piece about the places you hold in high regard would not be seen through your own eyes. Granted, I haven&#039;t had time (or known your blog long enough) to hear about lost cameras or whatever. But to a new visitor to the World of Atherton Bartleby, it&#039;s as if someone wrote a love letter full of cribbed quotes. 

I know you won&#039;t get it, because you have stooped to that time honored tactic of the snobby elite. If by &quot;people like yourself&quot; and &quot;people like you&quot; you mean swarthy Oregon expatriates who prefer shine rather than rain, I&#039;m somewhat offended. 

But, if what you mean by people &quot;like me&quot; are those who, despite their non-elite status and cultural ignorance know that punctuation marks like commas and periods belong inside quotation marks and not beyond them, I won&#039;t be offended at all.

I&#039;m sorry. I tried not to be pithy but being lectured by you for having an opinion that isn&#039;t fawning is something &quot;people like me&quot; evidently don&#039;t take very well.

-C</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my. Atherton. Defensive, much?</p>
<p>Despite your excessive and narcissistic reply, I don&#8217;t deride your &#8216;personal&#8217; blog. Quite the contrary. I enjoy it. It&#8217;s a fascinating study of the human condition. And quite funny.</p>
<p>If you could get past your victim complex for a minute, I think you&#8217;d understand more clearly. I don&#8217;t pretend to understand why you suddenly loathe where you live at the moment, but it seemed odd that a piece about the places you hold in high regard would not be seen through your own eyes. Granted, I haven&#8217;t had time (or known your blog long enough) to hear about lost cameras or whatever. But to a new visitor to the World of Atherton Bartleby, it&#8217;s as if someone wrote a love letter full of cribbed quotes. </p>
<p>I know you won&#8217;t get it, because you have stooped to that time honored tactic of the snobby elite. If by &#8220;people like yourself&#8221; and &#8220;people like you&#8221; you mean swarthy Oregon expatriates who prefer shine rather than rain, I&#8217;m somewhat offended. </p>
<p>But, if what you mean by people &#8220;like me&#8221; are those who, despite their non-elite status and cultural ignorance know that punctuation marks like commas and periods belong inside quotation marks and not beyond them, I won&#8217;t be offended at all.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry. I tried not to be pithy but being lectured by you for having an opinion that isn&#8217;t fawning is something &#8220;people like me&#8221; evidently don&#8217;t take very well.</p>
<p>-C</p>
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		<title>By: Atherton Bartelby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Atherton Bartelby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Christopher:&lt;/b&gt; And I find it interesting that someone who has (seemingly) never before commented to this blog would have such a vast experience of the entries and images presented here over the years to feel that he has the right to reply, finally, in such a disparaging and mocking tone. It&#039;s a good thing that nothing that happens to me in this place anymore ever surprises me, or your critiques out of left field would have really done a proverbial number on me.

If you have followed this blog as closely as your comment certainly suggests, then (one would hope) you have already read my more personal accounts of each of these places and events; I did not want to revisit the emotional landscapes of those personal experiences and the people with whom I shared them in this post. My intent in this piece was not to revive old personal ghosts, but to provide in a hopefully lighthearted manner information regarding my favorite experiences here for others to share.

As for your critiques regarding my &quot;spastic and deliberately obscure aggregation of &#039;bests&#039; from travel blogs or hiking trail sites&quot;, I should have noted, I suppose, that I experienced each of these places and events well in advance of finding them on HawaiiWeb, whose links were supplied only as a way for interested readers to obtain more information about each, directions to get to each, etc. And in regard to your critique regarding the images, yes, only two of them are mine, and yes, for this post I deliberately chose to highlight the photographs from others&#039; particularly impressive Flickr photostreams as illustrative elements for each item. I won&#039;t go into (although even though this is a &lt;i&gt;personal blog&lt;/i&gt; you seem to want me to) the lurid details of all of the hardware, data, and images that I have lost over the past two years, nor for what reasons, nor to defend myself for at times &lt;i&gt;living&lt;/i&gt; the experiences instead of also thinking, &quot;Wow, now how am I going to photograph this for my blog?&quot; I don&#039;t live my life that way. Besides, my photographic memories are already well-documented here and in my own Flickr, so I don&#039;t think I need to justify my creative choices to a &quot;random stranger&quot; who so clearly views both this post and this blog with derision.

I apologize that this entry did not meet your shockingly lofty expectations of it. But I&#039;m not sorry that I wrote it in the way that I did, &quot;travelogue&quot; or not. And incidentally, I had intended to conclude my time here in Hawaii with a final &quot;love letter&quot;, as you put it, to this place, to be posted while waiting for my departing flight at HNL. If it never makes its way onto this blog, however, you&#039;ll have people like yourself to thank for that. Because, to respond to your final pithy remark: No. My flight to NYC &lt;i&gt;cannot&lt;/i&gt; come soon enough.

And it&#039;s things like this and people like you that have made that so.

So, thank you for that &lt;i&gt;rather&lt;/i&gt; &quot;needful reminder&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Christopher:</b> And I find it interesting that someone who has (seemingly) never before commented to this blog would have such a vast experience of the entries and images presented here over the years to feel that he has the right to reply, finally, in such a disparaging and mocking tone. It&#8217;s a good thing that nothing that happens to me in this place anymore ever surprises me, or your critiques out of left field would have really done a proverbial number on me.</p>
<p>If you have followed this blog as closely as your comment certainly suggests, then (one would hope) you have already read my more personal accounts of each of these places and events; I did not want to revisit the emotional landscapes of those personal experiences and the people with whom I shared them in this post. My intent in this piece was not to revive old personal ghosts, but to provide in a hopefully lighthearted manner information regarding my favorite experiences here for others to share.</p>
<p>As for your critiques regarding my &#8220;spastic and deliberately obscure aggregation of &#8216;bests&#8217; from travel blogs or hiking trail sites&#8221;, I should have noted, I suppose, that I experienced each of these places and events well in advance of finding them on HawaiiWeb, whose links were supplied only as a way for interested readers to obtain more information about each, directions to get to each, etc. And in regard to your critique regarding the images, yes, only two of them are mine, and yes, for this post I deliberately chose to highlight the photographs from others&#8217; particularly impressive Flickr photostreams as illustrative elements for each item. I won&#8217;t go into (although even though this is a <i>personal blog</i> you seem to want me to) the lurid details of all of the hardware, data, and images that I have lost over the past two years, nor for what reasons, nor to defend myself for at times <i>living</i> the experiences instead of also thinking, &#8220;Wow, now how am I going to photograph this for my blog?&#8221; I don&#8217;t live my life that way. Besides, my photographic memories are already well-documented here and in my own Flickr, so I don&#8217;t think I need to justify my creative choices to a &#8220;random stranger&#8221; who so clearly views both this post and this blog with derision.</p>
<p>I apologize that this entry did not meet your shockingly lofty expectations of it. But I&#8217;m not sorry that I wrote it in the way that I did, &#8220;travelogue&#8221; or not. And incidentally, I had intended to conclude my time here in Hawaii with a final &#8220;love letter&#8221;, as you put it, to this place, to be posted while waiting for my departing flight at HNL. If it never makes its way onto this blog, however, you&#8217;ll have people like yourself to thank for that. Because, to respond to your final pithy remark: No. My flight to NYC <i>cannot</i> come soon enough.</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s things like this and people like you that have made that so.</p>
<p>So, thank you for that <i>rather</i> &#8220;needful reminder&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Atherton Bartelby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Atherton Bartelby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;AV:&lt;/b&gt; HA HA HA! OMG how could I have forgotten to include the caveat regarding Waikiki beaches and Ala Wai flesh-eating bacteria?! Also, whatevs, I will never understand your fascination / obsession with Spam musubis. EW! [dodges Manolo hurled across Pacific from SoCal]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>AV:</b> HA HA HA! OMG how could I have forgotten to include the caveat regarding Waikiki beaches and Ala Wai flesh-eating bacteria?! Also, whatevs, I will never understand your fascination / obsession with Spam musubis. EW! [dodges Manolo hurled across Pacific from SoCal]</p>
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		<title>By: Atherton Bartelby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Atherton Bartelby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;PeroxideVixen:&lt;/b&gt; This sounds like an amazing book and documentary. I will most definitely be putting both on my must-read / must-see lists. I think atrocities such as what each seem to describe / investigate, that are somehow &quot;secret&quot; to the majority of the population because they are never covered in mainstream media, are very important things about which to know. So thank you for the recommendations! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>PeroxideVixen:</b> This sounds like an amazing book and documentary. I will most definitely be putting both on my must-read / must-see lists. I think atrocities such as what each seem to describe / investigate, that are somehow &#8220;secret&#8221; to the majority of the population because they are never covered in mainstream media, are very important things about which to know. So thank you for the recommendations! :-)</p>
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